A Tinley Park Village Board committee on Tuesday night approved forming a seven-member commission to study mandatory term limits for all elected officials.
The budget committee vote was in response to an advisory referendum in the Nov. 6 election in which residents overwhelmingly approved the idea — 16,808 votes in favor of term limits and 6,635 opposed.
The cure for everything. Get real citizens in there to make decisions.
ReplyDeleteTinley park, orland park, alsip, all places where the pols like to stay for 20 or 30 years.
ReplyDeleteDan Lipinski is resigning. Johnny O for congress.
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DeleteYou have heard of the term RINO (republican in name only). I tend to think of the blue dog democrats as worse than RINOs. In my opinion, they exploit the labor unions and deliver squat in return. And, frankly, they tend to be worse on Constitutional issues than even Democrats.
DeleteFull disclosure my father new Lipinski senior and generally had nothing but positive things to say about him. But I just cannot stand the politics of some of the Democrats.
In fact, it were the blue dogs that engaged in brinkmanship and procedural abuses, which in turn resulted in Congress' very well deserved low approval rating (but I think it is worse even now).
Anyway, this is the dynasty abuse that I am talking about. Even if I liked Lipinski's politics, which I do not---I would rather vote for a real Republican such cut from the cloth of a Ron Paul than this pseudo-democrat----I would still disrespect him for his father's largess in gifting a Congressional seat to his son.
Until you get the money out of politics, it doesn't matter. One pol's pocket lining is no different from another's when it comes to the obscene amount of money involved in electing people.
ReplyDeleteAGREED, WE NEED TO PUT A STRICT CAP ON ALL CONTRIBUTIONS
DeleteExactly right. Term limits would be futile, and we would lose bad people and good people. We have awful, and I mean absolutely awful, dynastic politics in the City of Chicago, County of Cook, and State of Illinois.
DeleteBut I think there are better solutions to this problem:
1) end gerrymandering;
2) campaign funding reform; and
3) open primaries.
Unless money were removed from campaigns, the most powerful special interests---energy, defense, finance, health (insurance, providers, pharmaceuticals)---would still own/rent/influence even third or fourth or fifth parties.
Ultimately, it really comes down to cash. They who have the money get to make the campaign finance rules and buy the politicians.
Spending or collecting money on behalf of a candidate or cause you may happen to believe passionately in should not be restricted. The right to engage in political discourse in any way you want to legally, is a right fundamental to a free democracy. The Supreme Ct recently re-re-re-re-re-affirmed this.
DeletePerhaps limiting CANDIDATES ability to use their own money could be considered but there are many cases where more money does not mean more votes...The truth is we spend more money on hot dogs each year in this country than we do on politics.
But I do agree we need term limits. We should also look into these ridiculous gerrymandered Congressional districts that are created by Democrats and Republicans.... when you have U shaped districts it is obvious someone is playing with the numbers....
Lets talk about the dynasties Daley, Madigan, Hynes, Mell, You will find the second generation lacking in critical areas. They never achieve what the father achieved because he neglected them somehow someway when they were children. They are f---ed up. Think about most of the children of politicians, how many of them are normal? Most of them can't even hold down a full time job. Instead they get government jobs and appointments. Proves the point.
ReplyDeleteHow about all these politicians who step down in the middle of their terms and then we have our Representative "selected" for us....Alderman, State Rep and State Sen., US Reps, US Senators,....the Party decides for us.
ReplyDeleteI agree, it is awful.
DeleteLets talk about the dynasties Daley, Madigan, Hynes, Mell, You will find the second generation lacking in critical areas. ...
ReplyDeleteThe statement is very true, nearly all...98.3% of all political children have serious character flaws, I believe they carry deep scars and resentment from a lifetime of troubling neglect. Participating and watching parents in their household scam and scheme, hurt good people and then take glee in those actions. They are in a sense trained to be sociopaths. And look around at our neighborhoods second generation of our politicians children, have you ever seen such an underperforming troop? Enough said on that point. Only 1.7% actually achieves any success similar to what their fathers achieved, the balance sadly tends to be left with the byproduct of humongous egos but very low intelligence.
They grow to become sad pathetic underachieving men, who are secretly ridiculed by their peers who know that these guys are actually nothing more than dysfunctional children. I often wonder if these guys even realize what the true thoughts of most of their counterparts they engage and communicate with each day really thinks of them? Luckily for them Never a truer statement “ignorance is bliss”.
This is just not true. If they witnessed anything it was their parents trying to help people. It made them into good people too. And wildly successful. All of the Hynes children are lawyers. The Joyce children are either lawyers or college teachers and one of them is a builder. The Sheahan children are all coachs and teachers. All of these people have grown up to be good and productive. Whoever wrote that above is a cheap shooter.
DeleteI agree the original thread paints with a broad brush, but there is alot of truth regarding the children of successful people in and out of politics. I would not exactly use the Joyce family as a model of character. Jeremiah got the concessions at O'Hare. Why? Because he is so skilled as a businessperson, or could it be that he was huge buddies with the Daleys. I dont know if you from one of the gifted clans who rule the 19th Ward or just a political hack with a "lean on broom" job with the city, but Hynes was a terrible politician as was his kid and they got their arses handed to them in any election where they did not already have the deck stacked in their favor. Plus Danny Hynes moved up north - perhaps embarrassed by his unwashed Irish brethren?
DeleteMost have sold us all out to the new Black Democrat Liberal machine at the 19th Wards expense...and although Sheahan was an exception, he did give us Dart who has turned his back on this Ward but kisses every black politicians arse he can find....
Sheahan did not give us Dart. Sheahan hates Dart and can't wait to work against him.
DeleteI do agree that the Hyneses were terrible politicians who liked to have everything stacked.
The Joyces got the concessions at O'Hare because they are adept at business. Clout had very little to do with it besides, the city came out on the better side of that deal.
Joyce just happened to be the "best" businessman? No connection to the Boss Mayor ? You must be a shill for the Machine...we are all not that stupid to believe that...and the city came out on the better side? So Joyce did not reap tons of money? Please.
DeleteAnd Sheahan did not give us Dart ? Was he or was he not working for Sheahan? Did not Dart's Dad have a close association with theDaley family? Nice try.
Sheahan may hate Dart NOW, don't we all? But in the day they were tight as hell.
DeleteNobody has done as much for the neighborhood as the Joyces.
DeleteI always thought that the Hyneses were more English than Irish.
DeleteThats because Danny boy is an english gent.
DeleteTerm limits are necessary because the existing situation builds politcal families and their lackys or "Dittos" (read the last Hurrah). The founders never intended for careers in local politics to allow families to build fortunes as elected officials. I'm amused at the bashing of local officials and the silly defense blogged above. Both the bashers and defenders fail to understand that this community views politics as nothing more than a hustle to earm a lot of money. Look beyond the families in the ward and observe the thousands of lackys who enter the ward office for favors and the thousands more who see politics as a place to game the system. Read Daniel Elezar or better yet google "Elezar and political cultures and zero in on the INDIVIDUALISTIC politcal culture and one will gain an understanding of this dynamic. The only hope hear locally is to mount serious opposition to incumbent candidates and we will get better service as demonstrated in the recent aldermanic election. Outside the ward we have this idiot Mell who gave us Blago so it could be worse.
ReplyDeleteO'Shea is married to a woman who is a Sheehan. She has a bother who is the state senator and is related to Dart.
DeleteI thought the st senento was cousin width the Hynes
Delete"O'Shea is married to a woman who is a Sheehan. She has a bother who is the state senator and is related to Dart."
DeleteO'Shea has a wife who has a "bother"? Is that supposed to say "brother"? If it is, you don't know squat. O'Shea's wife doesn't have a brother who is a state senator, or any other relative who is a state senator, and no one is related to Dart.
Ding-dongs and dumb-dumbs are everywhere on this blog!
I think the point that was tried to be made is that the 19th ward pols are all related to each other, there is no denying that. Ding dongs and dumb dumbs seems to be a characterization of how some of the pols view the 19th ward masses. That is too bad. It seems that some of the writings here are touching on the truth about a few things.
DeleteDon't make a point if the point isn't true. It was a lie to say that O'Shea's wife's brother is a state senator. It was a lie to say she is related to Dart. This blog is becoming nothing more than a rant page for rumor mongers. As for making a point that 19th ward politicians are all related to each other, that is also untrue. I maintain - ding dongs and dumb-dumbs.
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DeleteI have yet to hear a single credible comment how Tom Dart has abandoned the 19th Ward, and the whole idea is foolish.
ReplyDeleteHe was the ONLY person on a local and in many ways NATIONAL level who went out of his way in the foreclosure crisis. Tom Dart was defending the homeowner with what tools were available to him before anyone else on a local, state, or national level. When I first discovered these blogs months ago, I was surprised how right-wing some comments were. But nothing has shocked me more than people critical of Tom Dart. The man was the only guy before everyone else defending the rights of property owners against fraudclosures.
Tom Dart is a proper bastard. Look what he did to all of Sheahans guys. Look what his brother Tim did to the Joyce family. Aren't they the ones that brought him to the dance.
DeleteWhat did he do? What are you getting at? What is your point?
DeleteBlogger, can we talk about something else.
ReplyDeletelets talk football.
ReplyDeleteUstedes gringos luchar demasiado. Usted lucha por todo. Si me preguntan ustedes son bendecidos con demasiado. Creo que los latinos estarán encantados de tomar algunos de esos puestos de trabajo de sus manos.
ReplyDeleteFoolishness is the norm on this blog. Suggesting anything positive or negative about these so called political families is not the point. Loyalty to one another in order to build wealth is what it is all about. Just think of the one family that will soon receive close to 800K+ a month in pensions or the latest privateer formally a county and CPS hustler with 3 family pensions and now a private contracter. Just a sample of 19th ward hustles. "When will they ever learn", we boomers used to sing and now we should sing.... well you bloggers might want to offer a lyric or more.
ReplyDeleteWho is the person you seem to want to talk about without naming who worked for the county and CPS, has 3 "family penions," whatever that means, and who is now a private contractor? Just come out with what you want to say. Enough drama.
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